Soon after the start of my new job the police rang me. Just looking forward to my first cup of tea (well, I am a civil servant now!)when my phone rang. It was the police, phoning from Guildford.
The policeman asked me to confirm my full name and address. Satisfied with my reply he said: "I'm sorry to have to say this but your brother, John, is in custody. He has given your name as next of kin."
At first I didn't understand what I'd just heard. John has been arrested? Must be some mistake. John, about six years younger than I, was a colour sergeant in the Queens Own Regiment. Married with five young children, John joined the army as a boy entrant at age 16. He'd steadily worked his way up the ranks to his present position. No, definitely a big mistake by the police.
"What's this all about officer?" I asked.
"Well sir, your brother shot and killed his wife last night. He walked into the police station and gave himself up. He wants you to come to the station please."
After a few seconds I recovered my senses enough to say that I'd get there as soon as I could. I had no car; I get to work by train from Norfolk to London so I had to get to Guildford by train. My department boss said I could go immediately. What a terrible start to my first few days in the new job!
I'll keep this tragic tale as concise as I can.
John was an armoury instructor. His regiment was based in Guildford, where he lived in married quarters. He was posted to Northern Ireland during "the troubles" and did a six-month tour.
On return to Guildford he heard that his wife, Doreen, had been having an affair. He went to the armoury, took out an automatic rifle and six rounds of ammunition. Went back to his house and fired the six bullets, killing Doreen instantly.
I visited him in the cells at Guildford. He seemed strangely calm. He simply told me what he'd done. His children had been taken into care. He was alone in this cell and it all seemed unreal, a dream ... a nightmare.
There was little I could do. He was remanded in custody, in Brixton prison, until his trial at the Old Bailey in London.
Social Services asked me if I could look after the two young sons of John until other arrangements could be made. My wife and I agreed. One lad, Geoffrey, was 7 and his younger brother, Stephen, was 5. We had seen them infrequently in the past as we had moved about a lot. They came to live with us in Norfolk.
I visited John on remand in Brixton a few times. On my final visit he said he wanted me to adopt his two boys. I said no. Out of the question. I had children of my own and more were planned. John angrily condemned me for refusing. He told me he didn't want to see me again. I felt hurt, but had to make allowances for his state of mind. However, he was adamant and refused to see me when I applied to visit him again.
His trial opened. I did not attend. A member of the Queen's Own Regiment told me that the judge accepted a lesser plea than murder. The judge said that the army had taught John how to kill; that was true. John served under two years in prison. He was automatically dismissed from the army. What had been a successful career, with good pension prospects, was quashed.
Geoffrey and Stephen were taken back into care; they were fostered but we lost track of them. John's three daughters were similarly fostered. One of the girls is now married and living in America. That's all I know about this tragic affair.
This was a difficult phase in life for me and my family. It was not a good start to a new career but needs must when the devil drives. We are all driven to make a living - well, almost all of us. And that means work.
Whom was the wit who said "If work was so bloody marvellous then the gentry would have snapped it all up years ago!"
Friday, 26 June 2009
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I agree about work, but I worry that I would be able to keep myself occupied without it...
Terrible tragedy about your brother. It's always doubly shocking when the person does something that you consider to be out of character.
Thanks LubberlyBug. Why oh why did you choose that nom-de-plume? I know the Beatles did something similar; do you sing? ;-)
Hello from a former RCAF serviceman.
Man, didn't they educate us?
Educate us for life, I guess.
Empthise with your blog...Except in my family, I was something of the black sheep.
Hi Ivan,
You're so right; the RAF did me a power of good. When did you serve in the RCAF? Do you ever write about those days?
My email, if you don't have it:
pg.harfleet@googlemail.com
Regards, Phil
My goodness, Phil. That is a shocking story. Goes to show you never can tell. Very, very nice writing style. I'll visit again. Best. D
Nice to see you Donnetta. I really did love your "Before She Died ..."
I wonder what my poor sister in law, Doreen, was thinking before she died. Such a callous murder; unthinkable that anybody should pay with their life, based on rumour or gossip.
Regards, Phil
Phillip...Quite the interesting reading you have wrote in this space. My first impression is that thus far you've lived your life and lived it well.
Loved your little scam with the cigarettes, a lad's got to get by as he can eh?
Shame about your brother and his offended sensibility...wrong time for the wrong hand to have a gun in it.
PhilipH,
Served ground crew, radar, l957-'63
Initially trained as pilot, but it did not go well. Went solo anyway.
Funny, I never undertook to write about those days.
Ivan, There has to be plenty of good material in those six years of RCAF times.
Pilot training! What an amazing experience THAT must have been! And then you learned solo? Again, how many people can say that?
If I could afford it I'd be taking flying lessons right now. For sure I would. Flying in a glider or small plane is so exhilarating. So come on, tell all.
Phil
Hello Geoffrey! Yes, that was some surprise to read your comments. Why did you delete the third one? What's your email? Are you on facebook? I've had two of your sisters, Carol and Lesley, get in touch with me a few months ago. Hope all is well with you. I now live in chilly Scotland, far from Croydon of course. My email is pg.harfleet@gmail.com if you want to send a message.
Cheers for now, your old uncle George and auntie Pat.
Your childhood days were horrific and you still, it seems, bear the scars engraved in your mind's eye and memory. I had no idea that my brother John was such a monster. He was a true Jekyll and Hyde type of person, and no mistake. I saw him and his family only on those few times when he was on leave. Do you recall coming to our house in Norbury in the early 1970s? And the last time we saw YOU was in 1974, in Norfolk; you and Stephen came to live with us for a short while. I never met my dastardly brother John after he told me to "fuck off" when I visited him in Brixton prison while he was on remand, pending trial.
What is your EMAIL address? And do you know if your Dad is still alive? Your sister Lesley insists he is DEAD! But I cannot find out officially. Lesley believes in all this spiritualist stuff and this is why she 'KNOWS' he's dead - because this psychic woman says so!
The only one of my four brothers I kept in close touch with was Geoffrey. Sadly, Geoff died in April 2009 of kidney cancer. He was 18 months younger than me. I was the oldest of five boys; no sisters. Thanks for your posts. It would be easier, perhaps, if you used email to me: pg.harfleet@gmail.com
By the way, everybody knows me as George. I only use my first name, Philip, on the blog. My Dad was also a 'Philip' so my parents always used my middle name, George, and it has stuck! Bye 4 now.
Wow I really did not expect to find anything at all in my search!
Doreen was my Nana's sister - I am making a family tree for my father for christmas and by chance thought I would see if I could find out anything about her murder.
Thank you for having written this. Would you mind if I printed it off and put it with the rest of the information I have found for my family tree? I wouldn't like to without your approval first.
Hi Jo,
Glad to be of help. Copy and print as you wish. If I can be of more help please email me at pg.harfleet@gmail.com.
It's strange how the internet tentacles spread out. Doreen was a cheerful soul whenever she and the family came to visit us in Norbury, south London and we have some happy memories of her. I've not had contact with my brother for many decades now and have no wish to in the future. Via the blog I was contacted by Judy, Doreen's first daughter (not fathered by my brother) who wanted me to contact Lesley and Carol, (Judy's half-sisters).
I wish you good luck in your family tree project and I'm so very sorry that it includes a tragic episode.
Kindest regards,
Philip George Harfleet.
I am floored by the judge's suggestion that people in the military who commit murder should be held to a lower standard of accountability because the military trained them to defend their country. I'm also outraged that the judge considered two years an adequate sentence for what was surely first degree murder. When people in America vote for conservative candidates for political office, they often cite the fact that liberals are "soft on crime," and it is true that liberals tend to look for mitigating factors and favor lighter sentences, whereas conservatives focus on personal responsibility and deterrence. I assumed that John's wife had relatives, and I wonder how they felt about the sentence.
Snowy, Doreen's relatives were totally devastated, as were Pat and l. But the worst casualties, apart from poor Doreen, were the five children. Their lives were badly hit, some ruined, after this tragedy.
He is still alive. He lives on the Shrublands Estate in Shirley, Croydon. I know this because I abused my powers where I work and found him. I have met Lesley, Geoffrey and Carol. I'm one of the kids from his second marriage.... Ask them.
@unknown: Thanks for your information. I'm so sorry that your family had the great misfortune to cross the path of John Raymond Harfleet. I had heard of his exploits, or paedophilic sexploits, when he met and married your Mother. Disgusting and deplorable behaviour.
I had some comments from Geoffrey on this blog some few years back; he posted them and later removed them for some reason. Sadly, Geoffrey was later prosecuted for possession of photographs of young children and was taken to court for this. I think he escaped imprisonment for this, but I know little else about the outcome. I guess he may have been given a lighter sentence owing to his experiences as an abused child, but I don't really know much about his adult life apart from he was married and had a couple of daughters (I think). All very sad.
Lesley and Carol contacted me a few years back. Lesley was convinced her Dad had died and asked if I could help to confirm this. I tried, by search death records, but found nothing. He may have changed his name of course, which makes it difficult.
I thank you again for your comment. If you can offer any further details please do so - either by email (pg.harfleet@gmail.com) or via a comment on this blog.
Philip.
I new About the story as I'm Stephen harfleet daughter my mum told me alot as I've been wanting to know were my dad was and why he lefted me so early in my life I was only 9 years old the last time I saw my dad if only he new he's a grandad to 3 children such ashame he's missed out
Stephanie, thanks for your comment. So said that your Dad deserted you like this. It is very wrong for a parent to do such selfish and cowardly things. I hope you have as good a life as possible. Regards, Philip: pg.harfleet@gmail.com
Thank you Philip I appreciate your kindness and sadly my beloved mother died from cancer after two years of fighting her illness
Hi Stephanie,I'm your cousin Lorna.
My mum is carol harfleet your dad's sister x
Wow thanks so much for contacting me I'm on Facebook do you have Facebook Lorna
Some things really do get twisted by others. Ok let’s get the facts right. The police charged me for having pictures of kids on my computer. Apparently I purchased them 🙄. Unfortunately we had a Trojan horse bedded into one computers and it was used as a server on the web. I have no idea if this caused the problem but I’m assured it most defiantly could have. My bank details and internet passwords including the router pass code was found on a hacking site. We know this as it cost me £4k to have a specialist go through it and 12k for a solicitor to defend me for something I’m totally innocent about. There was no pictures and never was. The pictures that the police referred to was on a site that the computer had supposed to have logged on at 2.30 midd week whilst I was at work. However at the end of the day the judge went nuts as my solicitor proved the whole thing was made up and circumstantial. The perfectly innocent statement I gave the police was altered by the police and proven so in court. I went to hell and back as did my family. We never gave up fighting the police. I received compensation for being charged for the offence.it was the German police that reported my isp to the English police. My isp provider even said the computer had been nowhere illegal. The offence was four years before I was even arrested. Strange how my own personal computer as well as the problem computer was given a clean bill of health and given back to us with an apology. That’s because they had nothing on them. Well, nothing illegal 😂
So let’s get it clear, the reason geoff was “ possibly let off due to his past”, was because he was innocent from the beginning and proven in court beyond any doubt. I find it disgusting that you lot twist the end of the story to make it sound great for your own morbid and twisted thoughts.
Lucky for me, I’ve always been attracted to girls of my age group 😂
Just for the record, I deleted my posts because I felt this was a personal subject and not for the gratification of others.
Also I’d like to add, the reason I was charged was because I was apparently the owner of the computer. Therefor I’m responsible for where it went on the net. My family brought the computer to my attention when it went nuts, it was jumping from sites to sites and we had no control of it. Had I known I would have put it straight in the bin. It was all out of my control. Also when I had it gone through by professionals it had 36 separate users and was logged in all around the world.
It started off with 100 pictures and ended up at three when it came to court. The three pictures were of my daughter having a bath when she was two years old.
The police never even asked me about the pictures. Sorry to spoil the end of your story Phil.
The reason you don’t know what happened in court was because the judge made it “of no public interest”. The local newspapers offered me a chance to defend myself, I turned them down due to not trusting them to be truthful.
Thanks Geoff
Well I came over a few times to see you all. Went out with your mum one day and she told me what was going on. I’m not related to you, but my heart was crying for you. I hate this topic, but Phill keeps posting and making the bits he knows nothing about and thus hearting people he doesn’t even know, all for the sake of his posts 🤷♂️
Best wishes to you, Geoff x
That’s so sad Steph, I only learnt yesterday by your post Pauline passed. Your dad disappeared from our lives at the same time as you. Best wishes, Geoff xx
Although I find this blog really offensive, it’s here, so nothing I can do about it.
I think one or two members of my distant family have read Phil’s comments that he posted wrongly implying I had pictures of kids on a computer and I was spared prison. That really cheesed me off. “I’m being polite”!!! I can’t do nothing about what the internet based news wrote about me. Well I can if I had the money, so I can’t.
If you read the articles, you will notice it’s all made up by the police. Apparently they do this just in case there are victims out there. Little unfair if I’ve not had the chance to defend myself against the accusations before they write the articles. A couple of points, when they charge you, you have to go through the various processes. So that’s three times in court before I’m even allowed to defend myself. It wasn’t to bad as I had my family and friends there with me.
My barrister asked for a copy of the police interview, they lost the tape!!
However we still caught them out for falsifying the statement and the pictures that did not exist. It took less than 30 mins for the judge to find there were no charges to answer. My barrister then submitted a claim for compensation there and then. Had to wait for another court appointment but got there in the end, and got paid a month later. The judge did give the police a telling off.
So as you can see there is nothing I can do about the news🤷♂️
For those who think I did get found guilty in court, simply get in touch and I’ll send you the acquittal document from the crown court🤷♂️
Best wishes, Geoff xx
This blog has really wound me up lol.
Imagine the police knocked on your door accusing you of a sick crime. What would or can you do?
You’re guilty from the start and you have to prove your not.like I said, the computer had 36 users!!! I proved it wasn’t my computer and it had been all over the place, not permanent at our house. The police was accused for being over zealous and I should have never been charged. Them stuffing that trash in the news was unforgivable but they did it 🤷♂️
They got so deep into prosecuting me they had no choice but to become corrupt with the evidence as it was non existing. They were trying to get me for photos of girl models ( fully dressed) apparently they were in a sexual pose.
It got crazy and even worst, Phil started saying they let me off Prison🤬
Anyway, at the end of the day I was innocent and I’m sick of still trying to defend myself because of the news papers and my distant family rabbiting to each other about this trash. I was the one that was torn to pieces by this, just be happy it wasn’t you 🤬
Catching the police out in court 🤣
That was easy, they happened to have lost the second interview tape and handed us the very first tape. I paid to have the tape checked with the statement and they even changed that! They even used slang words to make it more convincing🙄
They submitted the pictures showing the computer screen with the pictures of kids, Unfortunately for them, we spotted the icons showing things like, heart radio etc, was not our computer!!
They showed a screen shot of our isp router before they came into our house. Only we were not with Virgin !!!
That’s why we started about at 100 pictures and ended up with two or three, they were pictures of my daughter in the bath when she was a baby.
The case simply fell apart right infront of the judge. He was very upset 😂
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